Hace algunos meses una nueva plataforma web ideada por estudiantes empezó a ganar popularidad entre la comunidad universitaria. Treep UC, un sitio que centraliza apuntes, evaluaciones de cursos y evaluaciones de profesores fue uno de los grandes aliados durante la última toma de ramos con Pucmático.

En El PUClítico nos contactamos con Treep UC para saber quién era el o la profesora más popular de la universidad según la plataforma. La verdad es que el resultado no sorprende, porque de los cientos de estudiantes que pasan por sus clases cada semestre, no hay nadie que quede indiferente con las inigualables cátedras de la profesora Carolina Becerra, la número uno según Treep.

¿Qué le pareció la distinción que le llegó de ser la mejor profesora de la universidad según Treep UC?

No tengo idea. Si yo no creyera que hago mi trabajo bien, no lo haría. No puedo tener falsa modestia y decirte que yo no crea que hago buenas clases. Yo hago buenas clases. Por lo menos la gente me lo dice. Yo lo paso bien y los alumnos, yo creo, que también. A veces trato de hablar como cosas que no tienen que ver mucho con matemáticas como para distender un poco el ambiente. Y resulta. Pero también creo que hay una cosa que es como natural que se dé en la universidad, que es como los mitos universitarios. Me acuerdo de generaciones años atrás donde yo realmente sentía cariño por los alumnos, me caían muy bien. Y quizás alguien dijo “esta profe es buena” y pum! todos le creyeron.

¿Pero fue de un semestre para otro que las clases se llenaron?

No que yo me acuerde. Esto es terrible para mí porque yo tengo choques con el egocentrismo pero yo creo que siempre ha sido así. A lo mejor la primera, la segunda vez en la vida que hice clases no fue tan así. Como que después de un año empezó esta cuestión de que se llenaba la clase. Y yo he tenido en verdad paralelos súper buenos.

¿Le va bien en la encuesta docente en general?

Sí me va bien. Pero en la encuesta docente de antes a ti te entregaban una nota de profesor y te entregaban el promedio de la unidad académica. Entonces suponte que el promedio de la unidad académica era 4,6, y yo tenía un 4,8 entonces ya, uno podía medirse. Pero, ¿viste que cambió ahora la encuesta docente? Ahora ya no se puede hacer esa medición.

Además según mi parecer hay preguntas que son, no sé si existe esta palabra, pero que son irrespondibles para los cursos de matemática. No tienen ningún sentido. Así como “El profesor hace actividades grupales”. O sea, ¿cómo voy a hacer actividades grupales con 200 gallos en una sala? Imposible, ¿cachai?

Los alumnos que le dicen “miss”, ¿cuántos son más o menos al semestre?

Ufff, terrible. Pero no sé, eso les dura hasta como mayo. Bueno, me lo dicen todos los semestres. Me da risa en verdad, no me molesta tanto. Nunca me ha molestado. Pero es raro.

¿Siempre quiso ser profe?

Mmm…. ¿De la vida vamos a hablar?

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Jajaja bueno no sé…

Bueno yo entré a física. Antes tú entrabas a ciclo básico de alguna ciencia. Eso duraba tres años, después hacías dos años de curso de pedagogía si querías ser profe o dos años más y sacabas una licenciatura. Yo entré a ciclo básico física porque yo quería ser astrónoma, cosa que nunca fui porque en ese tiempo no existía la carrera de astronomía. Pasó que me empezó a ir bien en los cursos de matemáticas y además me empezó a gustar. Y ahí dije “ya, me cambio”. Seguí ciclo básico matemática y terminé la licenciatura en matemáticas. Cuando salí no quería seguir matemáticas, así que me fui a estudiar a la Chile un magíster en economía. El drama fue que yo nunca en mi vida había contestado esas preguntas de “comente”. ¿¡Qué voy a comentar!? ¿cachai? No, pésimo, horrible. Onda ¿qué comento? No, todo malo. Pero en los ramos matemáticos, en econometría por ejemplo, me fue súper bien. Pero no lo terminé porque siento que no soy capaz de contestar cosas así. Ponte que yo tuviera la misma respuesta que un compañero, pero por una cosa subjetiva del ayudante la tuviera mala. No, no me gustó.

Nunca se me olvida mi profesora, mi tutora que dijo una vez que las matemáticas es como estar embarazada. Tu no podí estar un poco embarazada. Tu estay o no estay embarazá. Por ejemplo micro economía yo la encontré maravillosa. Pero ya macro la encontré demasiado subjetiva.

¿No terminó ese magister?

No. Ni siquiera empecé la tesis. Me quedaba un ramo y la tesis… Y nada, después volví para acá e hice un doctorado en matemáticas con la profesora Rubi Rodriguez.

¿Cómo fue su paso por la universidad acá?

Súper nerd. Yo en las clases escribía en cualquier hoja y después llegaba a mi casa y pasaba en limpio toda la materia. Todos los cuadernos, todos los días. Cada uno elige su técnica. Hay gente que no escribe nada en clases y pone solo atención y le va súper bien pero lo que sí a mí me impacta es como estudié yo sin internet. Yo no tenía un archivo de pruebas pasadas. Nosotros como de 4to año en adelante ni siquiera teníamos ayudantías. Eran los dos o tres módulos de clases y después nos decían “estudien de ese libro”. Es como lo que uno esperaría que hicieran también los alumnos. Pero los alumnos hacen eso con las pruebas pasadas y no sé por qué. Tienen como una obsesión con las pruebas pasadas. No entiendo todavía. Pero está bien. Es su método y es respetable.

¿Usted qué año entró?

No, no leseí, no.

Bueno pero, ¿cómo se compara la Universidad de hoy con la de aquella época?

Yo creo que la mayor diferencia la hace el internet. Yo cuando salí recién me dieron, como ex alumna, mi correo UC. Y cuando volví a hacer el doctorado mandé mi primer mail. En la vida ¿cachai? Es súper extraño estudiar sin internet. Por ejemplo las notas, a lo más, nos las publicaban en un papel en un panel. Yo tenía que levantarme y venir a ver mi nota. Este es un pensamiento de vieja terrible pero no importa, te lo voy a decir igual. Como que a veces nosotros sentimos que los alumnos la tienen súper fácil y así y todo se la despilfarran. O sea yo antes tenía que levantarme en un día con lluvia para tener que ver mi nota final de semestre en época de vacaciones. Pero los alumnos sólo tienen que prender su computador. Sólo tienen que meterse a la página en su celular. Y ni eso hacen. Entonces cuando uno publica un aviso de que tienen que ver su nota en tal fecha porque el acta hay que cerrarla, y que después de esos días te manden un mail diciendo “profesora no alcancé a ver” entonces eso es una falta de respeto. Eso encuentro que es como una burla. No sé por qué llegué a este tema pero me acordé.

Ah y lo otro es que… también va a sonar egocéntrico, pero yo nunca me eché un ramo. Entonces no sé entender lo que pasa por la cabeza de un alumno que se está echando un ramo. Si viene para acá y llora en mi oficina yo puedo tenerlo una hora aquí llorando. Porque no soy capaz de echarlo. Me da como tanta pena, pero igual no lo voy a pasar. Pero lo voy a escuchar y le voy a preguntar todo porque de verdad no es una experiencia propia como para decirle “así reaccioné yo” o “así me gustaría que hubiesen reaccionado conmigo”.

¿Cómo era el tema de estudiar cuando entraban menos mujeres a la universidad?

A física si mal no recuerdo entramos dos mujeres. Pero a física entraban diez personas. A matemáticas entraban más. Cuando yo salí salieron 3 personas. Yo la única mujer.

Le pregunto porque usted dice que le tiene más compasión a las alumnas mujeres

No, porque yo tuve una vez un profesor que me retó mucho. No sé cómo decir esto… Lo que pasa es que es un hecho que las mujeres lloran y cuando las mujeres lloramos es una cosa física, ¿cachai? Como que no se puede evitar. Y lamentablemente en la sociedad en que vivimos el llanto se interpreta como debilidad o como que no sabes manejarte en una situación, cuando es una cosa física. Por ejemplo en clases si yo le digo a un niño algo y se pone rojo, yo sé que no le voy a volver a decir porque es algo que no puede evitar. Entonces si yo reto a una niña y se pone a llorar, no quiero que después quede tildada como “la baby, la llorona”. Entonces en general trato de no retar con mucha violencia. Porque yo tengo un carácter fuerte, reto a veces con violencia, sobre todo cuando copian.

Yo he estado en muchas situaciones en mi vida en que he tenido que aguantarme el llanto. Y es como “ya no llores, no llores”, para llegar a un lugar privado a llorar. Pero no porque el llanto sea malo en sí, pero porque de verdad creo que la sociedad no entiende que es una cosa física. A veces yo me reconozco en algunas niñas en clases. Es como peyorativo decirlo así, pero la típica niña nerd que está siempre en clases, lista con el lápiz para escribir. Así era yo también. Y lamentablemente uno reta a los que están en primera fila porque los que están atrás a mí me dan lo mismo. Yo he visto con mis colegas, que les altera ene que los alumnos estén con el celular. O que duerman. Como que a mí esa cuestión me da lo mismo. Lo único que me preocupa es que no me metan bulla en la sala. Para que no jodan al resto.

¿Qué cosas hace fuera de la universidad? ¿Algún hobby?

Bueno, tu cachai que yo hice una cuestión que se llama Mat Ciencia (@matciencia) que es un sitio donde hay post sobre matemáticas.

También participo en una fundación con familiares que se llama Fundación Ciencia Acción (@cienciaccion). La idea es hacer difusión de la ciencia y hemos hecho algunas charlas en colegios. Nuestra idea es ir, por ejemplo, a uno de estos colegios con más recursos y decirles “mira, aquí tenemos esta charla y cuesta 100 lucas, danos 200 lucas y tu financiai esta misma charla en un colegio en, ponte tú, Melipilla o no sé dónde”. Pero bueno todavía no tenemos el RUT así que se ha atrasado.

Otra cosa que me sorprende es la cantidad de veces que yo me he encontrado fuera de la universidad con alumnos y como que no pueden creer lo que uno esté haciendo en esa circunstancia. Si me los encuentro en el supermercado es como “iiihh profe y ¿usted viene al supermercado?” O a veces me he encontrado, va a sonar medio cuico, pero me he encontrado fuera del país con alumnos y es como “hey sí, igual puedo viajar”. Lo más exótico que me ha pasado es que yo estaba haciendo canopy en Huilo Huilo y me encontré con un alumno arriba del árbol. En La Habana, en la azotea de un hotel, también. Me he encontrado en muchas partes. En recitales, miles de veces.

En Twitter llama la atención que está metida en temas de contingencia y que le interesa la participación estudiantil. ¿Cómo se compara la participación de lo que era antes con lo que es ahora?

En mis tiempos no había centro de alumnos de matemáticas. Así que dentro de la apatía, por lo menos hay centro de alumnos.

Si usted fuera alumna hoy día ¿en qué temas le gustaría meterse?

A mí lo que me gustaría es que hubiera más sinceridad de parte de los planteamientos que a veces tiene la universidad con respecto a ciertas cosas. Por ejemplo, yo no puedo creer que la FEUC tenga estatutos que no estén aprobados por la universidad. Por ejemplo mañana. Mañana hay una marcha  y yo tengo que tomar una prueba a los alumnos de ciencia política. Ellos quieren ir a la marcha y yo no puedo suspender la prueba; y si yo quisiera suspender la prueba, voy a quedar como propiciando esto. ¿Qué sacan los alumnos de ciencia política con hacer un plebiscito apoyando la marcha, aprobando el paro, o lo que sea, si después yo les tengo que hacer clases igual? Como que no tiene ningún sentido.

¿Qué le parece confesiones UC?

Me han mandado dos o tres veces cuestiones de confesiones UC y me he metido. Una vez me metí porque una vez un cabro dijo “copié en no sé qué examen”, uno como de comercial. Y la verdad es que ahí todos los de matemáticas nos metimos. Y lo otro es que una vez acá en mi oficina, por un motivo que no voy a decir, un cabro me dijo “yo fui el que inventó confesiones UC”. Y ahí me metí y lo leí.

Encuentro que podrían decir lo mismo pero con menos groserías.

¿Tan grosero le parece?

Sí.

¡Qué chapada a la antigua profe!

Es que yo soy súper garabatera. Pero jamás en clases se me ha salido un garabato. Estoy hablando de garabatos de grueso calibre. Así de garabatera soy yo. Pero encuentro que ahí como que se van al chancho.

¿Cómo se ve para el futuro? ¿Le gusta lo que está haciendo acá?

Sí. Lo que más me gusta es la cuestión de Talento. Eso encuentro que ha sido un acierto tremendo que ha hecho la universidad. Encuentro que hacerle clases a los alumnos de Talento es una de las cosas que vale más la pena en la vida. Porque me siento identificada con ellos por una cosa de estatus social, o no sé cómo decirlo. Como de ser nerd, como de no cachar nada, tantas cosas. Además son alumnos que quieren aprender y nada más agradable que hacerle clases a alumnos que te quieren escuchar.

Ellos son lo que debería ser realmente una universidad. Tener gente de todos lados. Para romper ese mito de que la universidad es cuica y que todos vienen “de allá arriba”. Para cambiar eso yo encuentro que es súper bueno este programa. Ojalá todas las carreras admitieran de esta manera.

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